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FIFTEEN
DOES GOD KNOW EVERYTHING?
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Some would immediately say:
Well, of course He does, or He wouldn’t be God!
Which is fine: this is something which is believed
and everyone is free to believe it, but my question really
is,
Does The Bible show us the God who inspired
its contents as someone who knows everything?
We may feel He does or think so, but if this is
not the revelation given to us in scripture it is a belief
which is extra biblical and no other doctrine could or
should be built upon it. Indeed, the belief that God
knows everything about the future some would say is
at the root of the idea that He has predestined certain
individuals – out of the midst of the many – to be saved;
the many that remain have been left as ‘un-chosen’
and are destined to be lost. This is all very well but again
only if sufficient evidence is given from The Word of
God as to its reality should this also be believed.
Allow me to show you some clear indicators that,
although God knows all that is ‘knowable’ and this
encompasses more than the knowledge of all other
beings put together, this knowledge is limited as
concerns a range of situations involving the freedom
of choice imparted to man.
The alternative, that God knows everything and
in particular everything about the future I aim to show
is more a recipe for confusion than for the truth as
revealed in scripture.
The Omnis
God’s knowledge is also termed his omniscience and
is one of the three ‘omnis’.
Omnipresence (there is no space where God is
not present).
Omnipotent (there is nothing He cannot do).
Omniscience (there is nothing He cannot know).
But we don’t have to look far to see the limitations
of the three Omnis.
God’s omnipotence is limited by the fact that he
cannot make 1+1=3 and still only have two elements.
Equally he cannot make a square out of a circle and still
call it a circle: so it is evident that there are limitations
to God’s omnipotence.
So it is with His omnipresence, God ‘fill[-s]
heaven and earth’ (Jeremiah 23:24) as scripture tells
us, but it is evident that until something else were to
come into being, God is unable to be present there also.
For example He does not (yet) fill the new heavens
and the new earth ‘which I [God himself ] will make’
(Isaiah 66:22), because he has not created them yet, so
it is evident that there are limits to God’s omnipresence.
So it is with God’s omniscience, until something
becomes a reality in thought or deed it is not something
which can be known by God in all circumstances.
This is where scripture indicates the limits of God’s
omniscience: it involves future events which are not
part of the foretold plans of his purposes (these are
shown to be known about, only due to His determined
actions designed to bring these about). The limits
revealed range upon the genuine free choices given as
– an ability – to mankind within the scope of choices
he has been set (allowed).
King Saul
If you have read the previous chapter this is not totally
new. This is an expansion and further explanation.
In Israel there was no king until God spoke to
Samuel his prophet and directed him to pick out Saul
a Benjamite to be their first king. Saul was chosen by
God for this role, this post, as king (1 Samuel 10:24,
2 Samuel 21:6):
. . . Do you see him whom the LORD has chosen . . . |
1 Samuel 10:24 |
. . . Saul, whom the LORD chose . . . |
2 Samuel 21:6 |
After ruling for a while, Saul deliberately rebelled against God and on one such public occasion, Samuel came along and said these words to Saul:
You have done foolishly. You have not kept the
commandment of the LORD your God, which He
commanded you. For now the LORD would have
established your kingdom over Israel forever. But
now your kingdom shall not continue. |
1 Samuel 13:13-14 |
I would like to look at ‘the LORD would have
established your kingdom over Israel forever. But
now your kingdom shall not continue’.
If the Bible is inspired and profitable for doctrine
(2 Timothy 3:16) and God does not lie (Numbers
23:19, Titus 1:2), then I am bound to believe that God
would indeed have established Saul’s kingdom over
Israel for ever.
Now if God knew beforehand that Saul (the king
He chose) was going to be a rebel like he became,
then it is impossible for Him to have established his
kingdom over Israel for ever.
So, either He would have established Saul’s
kingdom, or, He would not. Since God does not
lie, and I believe the above passage is scripture and
therefore inspired by God, I can only conclude that
God did not really know beforehand how Saul was
going to end up.
For this passage to make full sense, the choice
is simple, either God did not fully know beforehand
and is telling the truth about the fact that He ‘would
have established your [Saul’s] kingdom over Israel
for ever’, or, God is not telling the truth: He in fact
would not have established Saul’s kingdom, in the full
advance knowledge that he was going to be rejected.
To my mind it is very plain: I believe God is
telling the truth, the scripture is inspired and it makes
full sense of God not to know fully the free choices of
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Other pointers
In the previous chapter I outlined precise words
that explicitly show God testing so He would know
something new. It is helpful to remind ourselves:
Where God is seen to acquire knowledge: ‘now I
know’ Genesis 22:12; ‘God withdrew from him, in
order to test him, that He might know all that was
in his heart’ 2 Chronicles 32:31; ‘the LORD your
God led you . . . to . . . test you, to know what
was in your heart, whether you would keep His
commandments or not’ Deuteronomy 8:2; ‘God is
testing you to know whether you love the LORD
your God with all your heart and with all your
soul’ Deuteronomy 13:3.
I also touched on how prophecy operates. By
God ensuring that his foretold plans come to pass.
The wicked dying before their time
Another pointer is that we find wicked men – in
particular – clearly mentioned as dying before their
time.
. . . the years of the wicked will be shortened. |
Proverbs 10:27 |
Do not be overly wicked, nor be foolish: why should you die before your time? |
Ecclesiastes 7:17 |
. . . wicked men . . . cut down before their time . . . |
Job 22:15-16 |
Bloodthirsty and deceitful men shall not live out half their days. |
Psalm 55:23 |
The fact that God never desires directly anyone to
sin, it is not conceivable within the revealed order of
things that God knows the extent of a life before it is
started in all cases: God’s knowledge of future events
is not absolute. To say God knew they were going to
die early is really to say: ‘that is the actual extent of
their lifetime’, so ‘that is its full term’ – for them – is
not an occasion of dying before ‘their time’. You
cannot say they are dying early if that was the time
‘they should go’. Is it any wonder that to believe God knows all things future is confusion?
The whole of unconditional predestination thinking founders on this point alone.
The pointers are not few to show that there
is a limitation to God’s foreknowledge. This strips
away the foundation for the idea that God knows
beforehand all who would be the ‘elect’ (of course
I refer to ‘elect’ within that ‘thinking’). I believe
God told truthfully to Saul that He ‘would have
established . . . [his] kingdom over Israel for ever’
and therefore did not know beforehand that he would
reject Saul. I believe God knows all that is ‘knowable’
but this is limited to many true free choices man
makes. Therefore I cannot believe that God has chosen
individuals to be saved over and above others since
that would be against His revealed nature and workings
in the Bible.
Did God create time?
This question has an important bearing on all the
above. It is another pointer.
It makes sense that if God created time, everything that happens in time is wholly known by
God. He would then know every detail of the future
of individuals before even Creation came about.
It is as if time was a line drawn on a page with a
beginning and an end. The present would be represented
by a point somewhere along the line (and moving along
it), and the future would be the remaining portion of
that line. The rest of the page would then represent
‘non-time’ where God exists and the ‘place’ from
where He could therefore see everything on this line.
If this is true then it would indeed make sense that
God knows every detail of the future of individuals
prior to their existence.
Personally, I would like to believe what God has
given as the source for all doctrine and teaching, the
Bible. If this idea is valid then, due to the use of it as
a foundation to the edifice of so much teaching, it is
vital that only from the Bible we gain the evidence for
its reality. Does scripture reveal to us the existence of
‘non-time’, does it mention time as a created ‘object’,
or instead, does it reveal to us that time and God have
always been?
There are two basic views of time in relationship
to God: one is that He created time and the other is
that time has always been with Him. These are mutually
exclusive views: both cannot be true at the same time.
To know which is true we need to see what evidence
there is to support one or the other. If there is any
support for one than the other cannot be true. So what
kind of evidence do we need to look for? The same is
true for God’s knowledge: He either knows all future
or there are limits to His knowledge. Mutually exclusive
views are great in this sense: You only need proof of
one to reveal the truth of both.
Passages which refer to God and time
God is shown to experience time differently to us (as
to its extent),
. . . with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. |
2 Peter 3:8 |
The immediate context of this passage tells us that this occurs within the framework of God’s patience and this thinking correlates with Psalm 90:4 where we read in a prayer attributed to Moses,
. . . a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past . . . |
Psalm 90:4 |
Now, if God created time (and thus ‘non-time’ exists) then, a thousand years would be as a day, before the thousand years as well as during the thousand years, not just ‘when it is past’. Already then we have a pointer to time not being created, but that instead God was with time before The Creation. Verse Two of the same Psalm in fact tells us this very thing,
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. |
Psalm 90:2 |
Before creation of the earth this verse tells us that
God was present from everlasting to everlasting.
Probably the closest statement we have that God
lives within time is:
For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity . . . |
Isaiah 57:15 |
There is an immediate problem here however. To some the word ‘eternity’ renders ‘time’ meaningless and they are two separate concepts. This may be so in their minds, but only what the scripture declares is worthy of believing first and foremost. In Micah 5:2 we read about the coming of Jesus,
. . . Whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. . . |
Micah 5:2 |
‘Whose goings forth have been from of old, from
everlasting’. The Hebrew for the last words is literally
‘from the days of eternity’ (as found in many margins):
yomyomowlam = ‘daydayeternity’ = ‘days of eternity’.
It makes clear therefore that there were set moments
i.e. one after the other, before the world was made and
that it is thus nonsense to separate time from eternity
(as far as scripture is concerned).
In the Jewish calendar Yom Kippur is an
important day: the Day of Atonement. The word yom
for day is therefore well known. When it is realised
that the inspired Word of God has yomyomowlam:
daydayeternity then it follows that the impression God
wishes us to have of time is as an entity which co-exists
with Him.
There is of course the simple logic that if God
created time then, what did He do before its existence?
He could not have a conversation or, do anything
with a beginning and an end. ‘Let us . . .’ would be a
permanent event. This is nonsense. For if, He was to
start something, and then stop it for a moment then
all this took a period of time. It has a beginning and
an end. There needs to be events one after the other
for existence of a person to make any sense at all. It
makes no sense of God as a living Being to exist outside
of time. To say He is outside of time is confusion in
my mind. As we saw from Micah 5:2 the literal Hebrew
shows us otherwise: God is very much in time.
We saw above a number of statements which
state that individuals as a result of persistent evil have
their lives shortened from what length they would have
been. There are also those due to their ‘free-choices’
have their lives lengthened from what it would be.
In other words the evidence is not insignificant
for lives of individuals not to have a fixed extent prior
to their birth, such that knowledge of this cannot
logically be said as complete in God’s mind prior to
that person’s life. If God was outside of time, then by
His mere observance of all ‘in time’ there is no such
thing as a life shortened or lengthened. It would be a
fixed time: period!
(As our beloved American cousins would say)
The fear of the LORD prolongs days [Hebrew. addeth], but the years of the wicked will be shortened. |
Proverbs 10:27 |
For by me [wisdom] your days will be multiplied, and years of life will be added to you. |
Proverbs 9:11 |
‘Honour your father and mother,’ which is the first commandment with promise: ‘that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.’ |
Ephesians 6:2-3 |
A counter argument
Another argument is sometimes expressed that since
Genesis 1:1 expresses ‘In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth’, the word ‘beginning’
implies a beginning for time also. The real question
here should be, ‘In the beginning’ of what?
The context shows in the beginning, at the start
of his creating, the first job he did was to make the
heavens and the earth. This does not say, or infer that
time was created, just that the moment God began
creating God started with the heavens and the earth.
Psalm 139
Of course let’s not forget Psalm 139.
For You have formed my inward parts; You have
covered me in my mother’s womb. |
Psalm 139:13-16 |
This passage especially in the NIV can be seen as
useful to the doctrine of unconditional predestination,
‘All the days ordained for me were written in
your book before one of them came to be.’ (Psalm
139:16 NIV). The idea is that if God has written up
all the days of our lives before they existed, then you
can’t help but see unconditional predestination as a
reality. He must thereby also know how long each one
of us has got.
The Hebrew literal which can be found in KJV
margins has ‘what days they should be fashioned’.
In other words the order in which his body was
fashioned was known and understood in detail by
God. This is my understanding of this text portion.
So that in the KJV we have:
Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. |
Psalm 139:16 KJV |
There is in context no appreciation that the days of one’s life is known by God in advance, but instead the order in which the parts of the body are knit together in the womb: the days in which they should be fashioned (emphasis mine). See also Young’s translation.
Conclusion
As we have seen then, there is direct and indirect
evidence in scripture to reveal that time has always
been and that it was not part of the creation. God can
thus be seen to live only within time and that not
unlike love, faith and wisdom, time has always been
an existent ‘entity’ prior to the creation.
God’s knowledge is seen to be incomplete in
regards to the length of time everyone will live their
life on earth.
The choices given to man where there is real
freedom to a number of alternatives is seen in scripture
as points in time where the outcome is unknown
beforehand by the God of the bible.
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